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Hi Basara,
thank you for all your replies and clarifications.

I highly appreciate it; thank you! 

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Hi Basara and thanks for all the guidance.

Two final questions:

1)

can I directly upgrade from 1.2.16 to 1.3.4 for example

or should I do the upgrade step by step like: 1.2.16 -> 1.3 -> 1.3.1 -> 1.3.2 -> 1.3.3 etc?


2)

I have a couple of extensions running on 1.2.16.

I just checked and saw that they are compatible with the 1.3 and 1.4 versions.

How do I go about it?

Do I first upgrade Abantecart and then the extensions or are they automatically "upgraded" to be compatible with the new version of abantecart?

My apologies for the many questions and thank you in advance for your reply.

Hi Basara...

So, in essence I would have to upgrade it to a 1.3 version to be able to run in at a version of PhP 7.3 or 7.4?

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Also, a couple other questions:

which version of the 1.3 should I go for?

And let us say that I go for the 1.3.4 version would I have to upgrade it step by step like: 1.3.2 -> 1.3.3 -> 1.3.4 or just in one go?

Finally, the databases etc from version 1.2.16 do work on 1.3.4 correct? (because I read on a post somewhere in the forum that database from 1.2.16 would not work on 1.4 something)?


Sincerely

Hi guys, a quick question.

Currently I am running on AbanteCart 1.2.16 with no issues whatsoever; so I am fine with it.

Here is the question:

When I go to my WHM (from my server) and change the PHP version from 7.1 (which I am currently on) to php version 7.3 or 7.4 - although the site runs fine there is a small problem.

As I was checking everything and no apparent issues appeared, I discovered that when someone tries to write a review, he cannot do it.

For example, you add the name, you write the review, and to complete the process you click on reCaptcha (version 2) and submit the review.

But the moment you click on the submit button nothing happens or it does not accept the review (stating that an error occurred or something).

So, currently I reverted back to php 7.1 and everything works fine again.

Any ideas why that is the case or how to solve it?

I am puzzled because I have never encountered such a case before.

I am looking forward to your reply.


PS: if I read the error report correctly this is what it states:

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warning: AbanteCart core v.1.2.16 Use of undefined constant total_data - assumed 'total_data' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in <b>/home/................./extensions/favicon_cart/storefront/view/default/template/common/footer.post.tpl</b> on line <b>18</b>

warning: AbanteCart core v.1.2.16 Use of undefined constant text - assumed 'text' (this will throw an Error in a future version of PHP) in <b>/home/.............../extensions/favicon_cart/storefront/view/default/template/common/footer.post.tpl</b> on line <b>20</b>



OK, listen everyone because I have a feeling I am getting attacked here on a personal level while expressing my opinion.

So, let us get some facts straight and i will close the topic since there is no point in arguing.


1. Bug fixes by default means that the usually, not always but usually, it is the devs fault in some parts of his code not the buyers. Bug fix means that the dev found some issues with his code and fixed it. We do not need to analyse more on that topic.

2. I expressed my PERSONAL opinion that such an approach does not make sense to me.
Are there other approaches out there that can earn the devs - and the platform money / income?
Yes there are and they made more sense to me rather than having to pay for both:
- customer support
- updates

at the same time. Are we finally now at the same page?

3. Which approach Abantecart - together with the devs - adopt is solely their own thing since as I already have stated: "Their platform their rules". I respect that!

4. maxter you said:

"Burdan on authors to support customers indevinately and customers abuse that policy."
In this case, it means that the policy was either not clearly enough written or the authors own desecration.

5. User "abantecart" you said:

"We can not expect Authors to provide customers support indefinitely. "

Apparently you did not read what I wrote:

I suggested either charge for customer or for updates but not both!
For example, if you provide free updates for an extension whenever a customer wants you to do something - or to fix something - the customer will have to pay for customer support - in this case which can be either a one-time payment or paying for a customer support extension licence that can last for a few months or up to a year; it is up to the dev to decide.

To conclude, I expressed my personal opinion and I am gonna leave it at that.
I would like to thank all parties involved in the conversation and your valuable input.

As for the mod or admin consider this topic closed.

At that time, I just had bought the extension but the extension was not running correctly for whatever reason.
Thus, so as for the dev to solve the issue, he requested that I pay him to fix the issue - something like support (for an extension that I did buy an hour ago).
The dev solved it afterwards.


My friend, to clarify, I am not trying to tell you, or anyone, how Abantecart has to run things - their platform their rules.

My point is:
Since I am paying for the extensions' updates at least give me free support.
If on the other hand I have to pay support than give me free updates (otherwise the extensions by default will become obsolete).

Paying for both in my opinion does not make sense.

And to clarify: I am a dev myself (in another area) so I fully support developers.
I am using softwares (irrelevant with Abantecart) but never ever, had I to pay for both support and updates.

This is what I asked Basara at the beginning: why?

And when I said that with this model Abantecart will never reach its full potential, I did not say it so as to look down on it BUT because it strips users from going full trotel.

Think about the following case: a new user comes to start his/ her e-commerce. But instead for going for multiple extensions (thus, increasing sales for Abanetcart) he goes for only 1 or 2.
Who do you think loses in this case more: the user or the devs?

To conclude: I just expressed my personal opinion here.
And to also solve your question: I will not pay for any extension support since my e-commerce is running OK, as is, and due to my small knowledge I am able to do what is necessary.
In my case specifically, who loses here?

Abantecart may view me as something like a peculiar customer that is not satisfied while the devs lose overall since: a) they are not paid for any updates and b) since I do not touch anything no support is needed.

And I am doing this discussion here because I like Abantecart and wish to see it soar into the sky.
Over and out...   

I hear your point as well llegrand.

But I also believe that you will also agree on the fact that heated seats etc - as you sarcastically called it I guess - is what sets the elite cars apart from the rest; and there is a ton of people who go for that rather than something plain.

Also, there are a ton of apps out there that pretty much do the same thing (i.e. phone apps) but because some apps are able to provide that little extra is what sets them apart from the rest.3
Of course it all comes down to each store owner and his/her personal style, ambition, or vision how he/she wants to set things up, but looks do affect perception.
Common now, when a beautiful woman passes we turn around to look at her because she has these "heating seats" but when a plain woman appears how many turn their heads (I am not trying to make a "racist joke here" but trying to drive a point that looks do matter ; regardless if we like it or not).

Also, I never claimed or looked down on how robust and good Abantecart is (I am using it you know?!) but all you do is illustrating the devs viewpoint without taking into consideration the other side.

Sure, business is business and money has to be made; I applaud that. But there are countless other ways that can generate money.



PS: as for the math take a look at the attached pic that I have for one of them and multiply it with the 15 extensions. PLUS(!) whenever I needed to fix something I also had to pay additional money for the devs support.
So we have:
1. Paying for the extension's updates
2. Paying for the devs support whenever it may be needed (I already did that a couple of times - I am cool with it)

So, my math pretty much is accurate when leaving my pocket 

HI llegrand thanks for the reply and input.

Let me clarify something: I am not looking down on any developer. The developers worked hard to create a good extension and of course they should be paid for it (which is understandable and I agree with it).

The thing changes once someone starts using too many extensions so as to constantly enhance his/her shop.
I mean think about it: if you use 1, 2 or 3 extensions OK; there is no point to talk about it.

But what happens if someone goes beyond 10 extensions?
The underlying point is that by following this model Abantecart itself has put a stop-limiter on itself because it becomes not affordable for someone to buy many extensions because the so called "car" upkeep costs cannot be sustained; and thus, instead of going for a BMW (just saying) someone will have to settle with a Hyundai (brought forth as an example).

Remember my friend: a Hyundai and a Ferrari are both cars but they are like day and night appart.

Similar, while Abantecart has great potential - in my humble opinion - with such a model they will never reach it.

Once again, thank you for your valuable input. 

Hi Basara, thank you for the link and I just read it.

OK, I get what it is saying; I just have a quick question though:

Let us say someone has 15 already paid extensions.
Once the 120 days expire that person would have to pay at least 20 US dollars to renew the extensions.
Thus, 15X20 gives us minimum 300 US dollars / 4 months.
In other terms, that person would have to pay roughly 1000 US dollars / year to just renew the already bought and existing extensions.

I believe you see where I am getting with it right? Does it make sense to you?
No matter where you look - be it App stores, other softwares etc. you either buy it flat out (like extensions here) or you pay a yearly fee (which would make no sense in our case). The third option is if you ask the developer for help to solve something for you - in which case you pay for his support (I did it for one of my extensions - and I can understand why I had to do it; no problem).

But this, for every 120 days, is complete nonsense. I am running roughly 15-20 extensions here...

PS: and what about the case Abantecart upgrades to a new higher version itself in which most extensions would have to be updated by default?

Hi guys, a quick question.

I have a few extensions that are telling me that updates are available.
But when I go to marketplace > extensions download > I do not see the updated versions so as to download them and to install them manually.
Never happened to me in the past.

Could someone please advice me?
I thank you in advance 

PS: Abolabo, is the issue of why I cannot install the fast checkout extension related to what you stated as well?

Thanks Abolabo for the reply.

Will contact him and get back to the topic with an update about the case 

Hi Basara, and thanks for the reply.

Frankly speaking while looking at the error log I couldn't make much out of it and thus, I did copy and send it to you as it is (see attachments... due to its size it is split in 2 parts).

If you are able to make something out of it please let me know.

[Enter your code, hit the "Apply Coupon" button and watch your discount instantly be applied to your order.]

Hi guys,

I have upgraded to the newest version and I did not receive any errors or whatsoever.

Nevertheless, I have 2 issues:

1. I tried to install the fast checkout extension and got a critical error (see attachment)

2. If I try to make an order as a registered user there are no issues.
However, when I try to make an order as a guest I cannot proceed to the final steps of checkout because I get the following error (see attachment):

Enter your code, hit the "Apply Coupon" button and watch your discount instantly be applied to your order.

There is no coupon for a guest so how on earth do I get this error?

Any ideas and suggestions?

Update (Issue Resolved):

Hi Basara, I was unable to pinpoint the reason of why the reCAPTCHA stopped working all of a sudden.

So, what I did to solve the problem was to create a new reCAPTCHA in Google and... now it works.